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dialga3021 Pokemon Lover
Number of posts : 197 Age : 25 Friend Code : 3782 3834 4342 Registration date : 2010-12-22
| Subject: Gym Leader ground team Sat Nov 30, 2013 5:30 am | |
| so yeah i am a gym leader on pokemon showdown in a league but not sure if my team is up to scratch on fending off people so i would like to know from you guys any improvements i could make
Hippowdon @ Leftovers Ability: Sand Stream EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef Impish Nature IVs: 30 Atk / 30 Def - Slack Off - Earthquake - Stealth Rock - Ice Fang
Gastrodon @ Leftovers Ability: Storm Drain EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 SAtk Bold Nature - Toxic - Recover - Scald - Infestation
Gliscor @ Toxic Orb Ability: Poison Heal EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 SDef Impish Nature - Substitute - Protect - Toxic - Earthquake
Excadrill @ Shuca Berry Ability: Mold Breaker EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd Adamant Nature - Earthquake - Rock Slide - Shadow Claw - Rapid Spin
Rhyperior @ Assault Vest Ability: Solid Rock EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 6 SDef Brave Nature IVs: 0 Spd - Earthquake - Stone Edge - Hammer Arm - Ice Punch
Landorus (M) @ Choice Scarf Ability: Sand Force EVs: 6 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd Timid Nature - Focus Blast - Hidden Power [Ice] - Earth Power - Sludge Wave | |
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Ito le Typhlito Admin
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| Subject: Re: Gym Leader ground team Sat Nov 30, 2013 8:32 am | |
| well like most ground teams you are weak to ice and grass moves making pokemon like bulky celebi a pain to deal with. I see 3 pokemon with the same stat spread so thats a bit redundant. So perhaps you can give camerupt a try since it has good synergy with gastro and gliscor. It can dish out fire moves to roast things like celebi although you might want to practice with it first since its kinda slow and is extremely weak to water. Nidoking is also great because of its excellent coverage since you dont really have a sweeper besides lando. Diggersby is a great pokemon to try with huge power and since your ground mono, there wont be any steel or rock types to block its quick attack. Chomp is a great sweeper too once you get its checks out the way and it can even fill in as your mega pokemon if you want. Finally, theres seismetoad which can abuse rain dance or act as a more offensive gastro with water absorb. ground has some nice options so i hope that helps. nice to see you back btw | |
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dialga3021 Pokemon Lover
Number of posts : 197 Age : 25 Friend Code : 3782 3834 4342 Registration date : 2010-12-22
| Subject: Re: Gym Leader ground team Sat Nov 30, 2013 11:36 am | |
| thx ito, its great to be back aswell i will try out some of these and who knows i might actually be alright at competitive battling | |
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dialga3021 Pokemon Lover
Number of posts : 197 Age : 25 Friend Code : 3782 3834 4342 Registration date : 2010-12-22
| Subject: Re: Gym Leader ground team Sun Dec 01, 2013 3:16 am | |
| ok so i adjusted my team slightly and i ended up with this
Hippowdon @ Leftovers Ability: Sand Stream EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef Impish Nature IVs: 30 Atk / 30 Def - Slack Off - Earthquake - Stealth Rock - Ice Fang
Gastrodon @ Leftovers Ability: Storm Drain EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 SAtk Bold Nature - Toxic - Recover - Scald - Infestation
Gliscor @ Toxic Orb Ability: Poison Heal EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 SDef Impish Nature - Substitute - Protect - Toxic - Earthquake
Diggersby @ Choice Band Ability: Huge Power EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spd Adamant Nature - Earthquake - Quick Attack - U-turn - Return
Garchomp @ Garchompite Ability: Rough Skin EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd Adamant Nature IVs: 0 Spd - Earthquake - Stone Edge - Swords Dance - Dragon Claw
Landorus (M) @ Choice Scarf Ability: Sand Force EVs: 6 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd Timid Nature - Focus Blast - Hidden Power [Ice] - Earth Power - Sludge Wave i know it still has a huge weakness to grass but i gave camerupt a try and it didnt work out | |
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B1naryB0t Gym Leader
Number of posts : 101 Location : Cooking da nummy nomnoms Badges : Friend Code : None Registration date : 2013-06-05
| Subject: Re: Gym Leader ground team Sun Dec 01, 2013 4:49 am | |
| What did you replace with camerumpt?
Gastrodon's EVs should be switched to 252 HP / 252 Sp Atk / 2 Def / 2 Sp Def Also, to cover the grass weakness, make gliscor less bulky and go for a more offensive approach such as: Gliscor @ Toxic Orb Ability: Poison Heal EVs: 252 Atk / 184 HP / 72 Spd Adamant Nature - Swords Dance - Earthquake - Aerial Ace - Sky Uppercut
However, if you really care that much about it being bulky, give it roost instead of protect/substitute. I've never recommended the use of choice items, so maybe an Assault Vest for Diggersby? IDK As for Lando, looking at the EVs, how did you get 6 / 252 / 252? Anyways, Assault Vest would be perfect for it at least. As for Garchomp, maybe switch out dragon claw for fire fang or something to cover grass or ice? Dragon type has been nerfed in this gen a lot anyways. | |
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dialga3021 Pokemon Lover
Number of posts : 197 Age : 25 Friend Code : 3782 3834 4342 Registration date : 2010-12-22
| Subject: Re: Gym Leader ground team Sun Dec 01, 2013 8:35 am | |
| the problemj with fire fang on grachomp is that it is extremely weak and can be very inaccurate at times | |
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dialga3021 Pokemon Lover
Number of posts : 197 Age : 25 Friend Code : 3782 3834 4342 Registration date : 2010-12-22
| Subject: Re: Gym Leader ground team Sun Dec 01, 2013 8:36 am | |
| i ended up replacing rhyperior qwith camerupt as both are 4x weak to water so i ddint see it was right to have 2 pokemon that were 4x weak to it | |
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Chrono Admin
Number of posts : 1504 Age : 28 Location : Space Ribbons : Friend Code : 0000 0000 0000 Registration date : 2008-09-21
| Subject: Re: Gym Leader ground team Sun Dec 01, 2013 9:37 am | |
| Word of advice, having lando and Gliscor on the same team put me in a shituation, as having both of them only limits you to choosing from a minimum of 3 pokemon to take a stab ice move.. I would suggest putting something like mamo... | |
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dialga3021 Pokemon Lover
Number of posts : 197 Age : 25 Friend Code : 3782 3834 4342 Registration date : 2010-12-22
| Subject: Re: Gym Leader ground team Sun Dec 01, 2013 10:12 am | |
| mamo might be a good addition actually thankyou chances are i would be replacing gliscor as all it can atm is toxic stall | |
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chomper Trainer
Number of posts : 466 Location : Allen's Pokeball Friend Code : Fuck Wifi. Registration date : 2011-01-20
| Subject: Re: Gym Leader ground team Sun Dec 01, 2013 7:04 pm | |
| Dialga3021, I rmr you were a cool guy and I want to point out some shitty/experience lacking ass rates that you got, especially from this b1narybot guy. The Gliscor set. Sky uppercut? wtf does sky uppercut that hit that EQ and Flying attacks cannot? Inb4 you make a smartass reply like skarm or rotom. Gliscor cannot beat skarm 1v1 unless that glis has taunt. Even in PP stalling skarm still wins over a non-taunt glis. As for rotom, sub gliscor beats most rotom 1v1, just stall out 8 hydro pumps. A typical offensive Gliscor set is SD, Acrobatics, EQ and Sub with flight gem, ability sand viel or poison heal and evs- max/max. Fine that was only a minor but this: - B1naryB0t wrote:
- I've never recommended the use of choice items, so maybe an Assault Vest for Diggersby? IDK
As for Lando, looking at the EVs, how did you get 6 / 252 / 252? Anyways, Assault Vest would be perfect for it at least. So he shouldn't use choice items because you're not a fan of it? Wtf does that have to do with him and the effectiveness of his team? If you're gonna rate someone's team at least tell them whats best.....Assault vest is a shitty item on Diggersby and Landorus. Their job is to issue hits, not taking hits, so choice items are alot better than assault vest. - B1naryB0t wrote:
- As for Garchomp, maybe switch out dragon claw for fire fang or something to cover grass or ice? Dragon type has been nerfed in this gen a lot anyways.
This comment right here should be alarm bells ringing that this guy doesn't really play competitive mons. Dragons are still very, very viable in this meta... Take out a dragon attack for a weak 65 base power fire fang? rofl. Fire fang deals 130 dmg if a mon is weak to fire, dclaw deals 120 but dclaw cannot miss unlike fire fang. Dialga If you really want a fire attack, run fireblast- helps you nail skarm, forre etc. BUT DO NOT TAKE OUT A DRAGON MOVE FOR IT. Finally here is a fun fact for anyone who thinks you shouldn't run dragons or dragons attacks because of faeries: Did you know what water is the second most used attack (bug is first) in 5th gen despite there are mons with storm drain, water absorb, dry skin and over a dozen of competitive based mons that resist water? | |
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dialga3021 Pokemon Lover
Number of posts : 197 Age : 25 Friend Code : 3782 3834 4342 Registration date : 2010-12-22
| Subject: Re: Gym Leader ground team Mon Dec 02, 2013 8:36 am | |
| wow thanks chomper really admire y our opinions and arguments here overall. Thankyou for defending me haha was great to read. | |
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B1naryB0t Gym Leader
Number of posts : 101 Location : Cooking da nummy nomnoms Badges : Friend Code : None Registration date : 2013-06-05
| Subject: Re: Gym Leader ground team Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:09 pm | |
| Unneeded rudeness. Anyways, I don't use these mons on a regular basis or really at all, considering all I use is steel types. I personally don't feel like being a total asshole in battling and believe that it is just a game, that it's not worth being a dick about it. I'm so sorry, that must make me scum and waste of human life. | |
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Prof West Head Professor
Number of posts : 600 Age : 28 Location : London Friend Code : Black: 5157 2125 1931
3DS: 1306-5572-5528 Registration date : 2010-03-26
| Subject: Re: Gym Leader ground team Mon Dec 02, 2013 2:47 pm | |
| I am going to insult you lightly so that Chomper won't rage and go ott. - B1naryB0t wrote:
- Anyways, I don't use these mons on a regular basis or really at all, considering all I use is steel types.
You just admitted that you have little experience with this standard of battling and yet you offered suggestions for a team in it. This just seems idiotic to me, I like to think that with all of my knowledge of Pokemon I could hold my own in just about any tier or any standard of play. Yet there is one I do not even attempt to approach, one that I do not get the remotest sense of joy playing so I avoid it like the plague. "What is this fear inducing tier?" I hear you ask. It is Little Cup. Now why is any of this relevant? Well what you did in this topic would be the equivalent of me offering suggestions for a LC team. I don't fully understand all of the Pokemon used in it, nor do I understand all of the strategies and common movesets that would be used in that tier. If I did post a suggestion for a LC team on a topic I would likely be ridiculed, humiliated and spend the rest of my interneting days known as "that n00b who thought he knew crap about LC teams". So in summation, don't post on topics where you do not fully understand all of the workings of that standard of play. Also with your review, try to avoid sounding so subjective with phrases like - B1naryB0t wrote:
- I've never recommended the use of choice items.
This just makes you seem like your enforcing your opinion upon him and not really giving him practical suggestions. If you have the slightest bit of doubt with yourself it is better to mention it as an after thought. E.G. I would recommend using a scarf on this Poke as this is the most common moveset, even though I am not the biggest fan of using choice items and tend to avoid it if possible. This statement makes you sound objective but it also expresses your own personal experience about the matter. I do hate saying this, but in very competitive OU, uniqueness will not give you any battling benefits, the most common sets are usually the most common sets for a good reason. In summation, don't post on topics where you are unsure about the inner workings of that standard, try not to sound too subjective (people can easily play differently to you) and for top OU stuff the norm is usually the best solution. | |
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Gates Elite 4
Number of posts : 439 Location : Danger Zone Ribbons : Water/Psychic E4
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| Subject: Re: Gym Leader ground team Mon Dec 02, 2013 11:07 pm | |
| Professor West comes off the bench with the assist and it's good! The Professor is a man of few words but much wisdom, 10/10. | |
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Ito le Typhlito Admin
Number of posts : 1901 Age : 31 Location : MA, USA Ribbons : Fire/Grass E4
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| Subject: Re: Gym Leader ground team Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:44 pm | |
| sorry bot but they do have a point there. That kinda shows that you should go out of your comfort zone with mono steel and try new things You can still keep your steel team but new experiences never hurt so hows your team doing dialga? | |
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dialga3021 Pokemon Lover
Number of posts : 197 Age : 25 Friend Code : 3782 3834 4342 Registration date : 2010-12-22
| Subject: Re: Gym Leader ground team Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:05 pm | |
| Doing great thanks i added in mamoswine with life orb and jolly nature to outspeed many things. Since that my team hasn't lost many battles no only as a gym leader but also in pomebank ou and monotype gen 6 | |
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dialga3021 Pokemon Lover
Number of posts : 197 Age : 25 Friend Code : 3782 3834 4342 Registration date : 2010-12-22
| Subject: Re: Gym Leader ground team Sun Dec 08, 2013 8:56 am | |
| to get people up to date here is my team now. Its doing fine only losing a couple of battles now
Hippowdon @ Leftovers Ability: Sand Stream EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef Impish Nature IVs: 30 Atk / 30 Def - Slack Off - Earthquake - Stealth Rock - Ice Fang
Gastrodon @ Leftovers Ability: Storm Drain EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 SAtk Bold Nature - Toxic - Recover - Scald - Infestation
Mamoswine @ Life Orb Ability: Thick Fat EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd Jolly Nature - Icicle Crash - Ice Shard - Earthquake - Superpower
Diggersby @ Choice Band Ability: Huge Power EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spd Adamant Nature - Earthquake - Quick Attack - U-turn - Return
Garchomp @ Garchompite Ability: Rough Skin EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd Adamant Nature IVs: 0 Spd - Earthquake - Stone Edge - Swords Dance - Dragon Claw
Landorus (M) @ Choice Scarf Ability: Sand Force EVs: 6 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd Timid Nature - Focus Blast - Hidden Power [Ice] - Earth Power - Sludge Wave
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B1naryB0t Gym Leader
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| Subject: Re: Gym Leader ground team Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:03 am | |
| You know, you might wanna have more than 1 team. For instance, for me, I have 3 steel teams so that people can't have a sure-set strategy against me. | |
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dialga3021 Pokemon Lover
Number of posts : 197 Age : 25 Friend Code : 3782 3834 4342 Registration date : 2010-12-22
| Subject: Re: Gym Leader ground team Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:10 am | |
| i do but i mainly use this one | |
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Ito le Typhlito Admin
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| Subject: Re: Gym Leader ground team Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:39 pm | |
| ok so any particular weaknesses or small weak spots you noticed? | |
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B1naryB0t Gym Leader
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| Subject: Re: Gym Leader ground team Mon Dec 09, 2013 3:07 am | |
| Looking at it myself, I still see a major ice weakness.. | |
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dialga3021 Pokemon Lover
Number of posts : 197 Age : 25 Friend Code : 3782 3834 4342 Registration date : 2010-12-22
| Subject: Re: Gym Leader ground team Mon Dec 09, 2013 12:23 pm | |
| ice types are dealt with very easily trust me. thats what mamoswine is there for. It can take out a majority of the ice types with superpower and things such as froslass can be dealt with by earthquake | |
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dialga3021 Pokemon Lover
Number of posts : 197 Age : 25 Friend Code : 3782 3834 4342 Registration date : 2010-12-22
| Subject: Re: Gym Leader ground team Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:28 am | |
| i have noticed a slight weakness to rotom-wash, my original plan to counter this was to take out something and replace it with excadrill with mold breaker. however i realised soon after that if i ever go up against one, my best bet would be using gastrodon simply because not many rotom's carry grass knot and those that do dont normally kill. Rotom cannot touch gastrodon apart from that and with infestation and toxic Rotom will be dealt with rather easily | |
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Ito le Typhlito Admin
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| Subject: Re: Gym Leader ground team Wed Dec 11, 2013 12:57 pm | |
| torterra might be able to handle rotom as well but he would be adding another x4 ice weakness to your team >.< | |
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dialga3021 Pokemon Lover
Number of posts : 197 Age : 25 Friend Code : 3782 3834 4342 Registration date : 2010-12-22
| Subject: Re: Gym Leader ground team Wed Dec 11, 2013 1:25 pm | |
| yh that seems to be a problem, plus dont know what i would replace with it | |
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