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PostSubject: Dual Weather OU   Dual Weather OU Icon_minitimeFri Nov 09, 2012 6:17 pm

Decided to try a dual weather team. Don't just tell me everything is wrong -.-

Dual Weather OU Infernape Infernape@Life Orb Nature: Jolly Ability: Blaze EVs: 252 Atk, 4 SpD, 252 Spe

-Stealth Rock
-Flare Blitz
-Mach Punch
-U-turn

Dual Weather OU Abomasnow Abomasnow@Leftovers Nature: Lonely Ability: Snow Warning EVs: 252 Atk, 144 SpA, 112 Spe

-Ice Shard
-Wood Hammer
-Blizzard
-Hidden Power(Fire)

Dual Weather OU Ninetales Ninetales@Leftovers Nature: Timid Ability: Drought EVs: 252 HP, 176 SpD, 80 Spe

-Will-O-Wisp
-Pain Split
-Energy Ball
-Fire Blast

Dual Weather OU Alakazam Alakazam@Life Orb Nature: Timid Ability: Magic Guard EVs: 252 SpA, 4 SpD, 252 Spe

-Calm Mind
-Psyshock
-Shadow Ball
-Hidden Power(Fighting)

Dual Weather OU Genesect Genesect@Choice Scarf Nature: Naive Ability: Download EVs: 4 Atk, 252 SpA, 252 Spe

-U-Turn
-Ice Beam
-Flamethrower
-Thunderbolt

Dual Weather OU Bw2blackkyurem Kyurem-B@Leftovers Nature: Naive Ability: Teravolt EVs: 80 Atk, 176 SpA, 252 Spe

-Substitute
-Outrage
-Fusion Bolt
-Hidden Power(Fire)

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PostSubject: Re: Dual Weather OU   Dual Weather OU Icon_minitimeFri Nov 09, 2012 6:39 pm

nothing except for the pokemon setting up the weather truly benefit... is there a point to the dual weather or is it to cancel out other weather?
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PostSubject: Re: Dual Weather OU   Dual Weather OU Icon_minitimeFri Nov 09, 2012 6:45 pm

It's to counter other Weather and Sunny Day+HP Fire helps bring down the ever present Genesects, Scizors, and Ferrothorns


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PostSubject: Re: Dual Weather OU   Dual Weather OU Icon_minitimeSat Nov 10, 2012 8:25 am

lol Z, genesect has dat flamethrower powered by sun, and alakazam doesnt take hail damage

maybe use kyurem-w instead of kyurem-b for dat blizzard boost.
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PostSubject: Re: Dual Weather OU   Dual Weather OU Icon_minitimeSat Nov 10, 2012 8:27 am

Kyurem-W is still Uber last 1 heard
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PostSubject: Re: Dual Weather OU   Dual Weather OU Icon_minitimeSat Nov 10, 2012 9:09 am

On Infernape since you've already maxed it in speed I would place CC over Mach punch just because hes maxed and its strong and hardly anything can outspeed him except for priority and scarfers and faster pokes. On Kyurem B I would rather go with SP Atk or Just Atk for the fact hes got an insane atk stat which can definately leave a mark on anything switching in to a outrage. Substitute looks like a viable move. Other than that Obama Snow, Alakazam and Genesect + Ninetales look fantastical.
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PostSubject: Re: Dual Weather OU   Dual Weather OU Icon_minitimeSat Nov 10, 2012 9:31 am

I put Mach Punch over CC because of the opponent's Priority, Scarves, and faaster Pokemon. Kyurem-B needs a Fire move to hit opposiing Steel/Ice switch-ins so I'd use Fire Punch or Flame Charge if it could learn them, but HP Fire is Kyurem-B's only Fire move. If I wanted to switch Kyurem-B to pure Sp Atk, I'd be better off with normal Kyurem since it has 130 SpA instead of Kyurem-B's 120 and they both have the same Speed of 95. Abomasnow is there because Hail is the least used Weather and it gets rid of the bonuses opponents use their weather for.
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PostSubject: Re: Dual Weather OU   Dual Weather OU Icon_minitimeSun Nov 11, 2012 10:30 am

i do think you should consider a (specially defensive?) heatran since it can cover for genesect and obamasnow and it can also would be able to tank dragon moves and hit back with a dpulse or earth power fire types. I mean yeah obama can ice shard dragons but still. But yea since you gonna have hail, might as well abuse it and use blizzard Razz As for zam, focus blast as unreliable as it is will give you kills that hp cant. remember that k? Overall, its a good team tho Razz

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PostSubject: Re: Dual Weather OU   Dual Weather OU Icon_minitimeSun Nov 11, 2012 11:22 am

So are you recommending Heatran over Ape?
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PostSubject: Re: Dual Weather OU   Dual Weather OU Icon_minitimeSun Nov 11, 2012 12:11 pm

its worth a shot. yea give it a try

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PostSubject: Re: Dual Weather OU   Dual Weather OU Icon_minitimeSun Nov 11, 2012 12:44 pm

Will do, thanks for the tip
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PostSubject: Re: Dual Weather OU   Dual Weather OU Icon_minitimeTue Dec 04, 2012 4:31 pm

I love how I left for a minute and no one here knows what wrong with this team? This guy obviously try so hard to counter the "ever present" scizor and genesect not knowing he has open up some major weaknesses to everything else.


-Scarf Terrakion sweeps your whole team with stone edge, heck it can go for close combat and kill of everything, Alakazam takes 80% to CC lol.
-Volcanrona can sweep your whole team with 1 quiver dance, and it can easily set it up on abomasnow or genesect thats locked into ice beam.
-Reuniclus can set up trick room and sweep this whole team too.
-Scarf heatran/Darmanitan can sweep your whole team with a fire attack thanks to your sun (it can sweep without sun too, but sun makes it easier)
-Speaking of sun, why on earth would anyone use ninetails without a cholorophyl sweeper? sun is the worst weather, weatherless is better than sun, the only reason people use sun is because choro pokes arent banned unlike swift swim. Thanks to your sun, kyurem/alakazam is now weak to fire and ninetails and infernape no longer resist fire lol.
-Hazards wrecks your whole team, you have 3 pokes weak to it, no spinner and nothing to prevent them from setting up.
Before you pull a Reshiram and make a comment like "hazards isnt all that, not everyone uses them". Check this shit out http://www.smogon.com/smog/issue21/top_10.
Steath rock is the #1 used move and good luck on finding teams without hazards.

And since you try to make this team to counter the "ever present" scizor, do you even know how big a scizor is a threat to your team? Bullet punch ohko alakazam, kyurem, abomasnow. It does 35-40% to infernape and ninetails. If theres rocks + 1 spike, THEY CANNOT SWITCH INTO SCIZOR and gensect gets 1 switch in. Even with just steath rocks, scizor can ohko them if it doesnt get min dmg roll. So yeah nice try.


BlazingKitteh wrote:
It's to counter other Weather and Sunny Day+HP Fire helps bring down the ever present Genesects, Scizors, and Ferrothorns

WTF are you talking about? Hp fire kills scizor without sun, and scizor will probably just go for bullet punch anyways to kill you off first. (Im assuming when you say hp fire, your talking about abomasnow and kyurem). Sun helps your opponent more than you lol.


Ima give a tip to all yall naive people that think you can build teams to counter scizor. SCIZOR CANNOT BE COUNTER. If you try to counter scizor chances are your team is gonna be weak to ALOT of things. It has been in the top 3 usage for over 5 years and theres a reason for that, its just that good. The subject of countering scizor has been case closed for a long time and the fact that people still try to find ways to counter it in 2012 is pretty naive.


And since you want a suggestion here it is: start over with your team, its pretty bad in this metagame...But hey what do I know about competitive pokemon. You're too good for thinking of such a creative strategy such as dual weather, why dont you try to post this team on smogon and see what kinda comments you'll be getting assuming a smogon mod doesnt delete your topic thinking you're trying to pull a troll team attempt.
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PostSubject: Re: Dual Weather OU   Dual Weather OU Icon_minitimeWed Dec 05, 2012 3:33 pm

allen great analysis i agree
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